Do you think Benjamin Franklin's cartoon had a bigger impact during the French & Indian War or the Revolutionary War? Explain. Why do you think he chose to use a cartoon to express his desire for colonial unity?
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Muma
9/29/2009 09:35:13 am
WOW IM FIRST!!!! But yeah here I go...
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Molly Gorczyca
9/30/2009 05:32:38 am
Benjamin Franklins cartoon had an impact on both the French and Indian War and the Revolutionary War. Between the two it had the biggest impact on the Revolutionary War. This cartoon was published during the time period of the French and Indian War, but it was just starting to get the message of unity across to the people in the middle of the conflict. From experiences in the French and Indian War, the colonies learned that they needed unity to have success. Franklins cartoon helped bring this to their attention. With their experiences and Franklins message they had more unity during the Revolutionary War. He used a cartoon because most people were illiterate. If you could read well or not, you could still understand the cartoons message. Franklins cartoon was the perfect answer to inspire the minds of the colonists not only in the French and Indian War, but also in the wars to follow.
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Ryan Howe
10/1/2009 04:54:22 am
Ben Franklin's cartoon definitely had a bigger impact in the Revolutionary War. During the French and Indian War there was very little unity in the American colonies. The Revolutionary War would have been a defeat for the colonies if they hadn't put there differences aside.
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Bobby
10/2/2009 01:45:17 am
The cartoon applied much more to the Revolutionary War than it did the French and Indian war. In both wars the colonies had limited unity, but in the French and Indian war the British were there with a much stronger army to aid the segregated colonies. In the Revolutionary War there was no other country or army to fight the British in the beginning. The cartoon was then made into a reality as it applied perfectly to the colonies during the Revolutionary War. They all needed to join, or die.
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Ashley Coveney
10/2/2009 02:01:24 am
I think it had more impact on the Revolutionary War. The cartoon was printed in the Pennsylvania Journal written by Benjamin Franklin for the fact to create unity and rebel against the british. The cartoon indicated a message of, do or die, telling people that if you are not with us you are against us. If that is the fact then you are the enemy and we will fight you. It is a very powerful message and even though written in the time of the French and Indian War it impacted the Revolutionary War greater. There was time needed to organize the American colonies, the french, and the spanish. As they planned and started to fight it is clearly obvious that it would have affected the Revolutionary War more than the French and Indian War.
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Morgan
10/2/2009 02:02:08 am
The cartoon "Join or Die"impacted the Revolutionary War much more thenit did for the French and Indian War, because after the French and Indian War the colonies already had a sense of unity this I think helped the colonies relize that they couldn't beat the British as a seperate colonies they had to unite become one army. During the Revolutionary War they didn't have anyone helping them fight a bigger country like they did in the French and Indian War were they had the British doing some of the work.
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Ashley Coveney
10/2/2009 02:07:01 am
I agree with Bobby about how the message soon became a reality to all those involved. And also about the point that it affected the Revolutionary War because they were more united and in it all together.
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Molly Gorczyca
10/2/2009 03:05:43 am
I agree with Ashley. The colonies needed time to organize. They didn’t know that they needed to be organized and untied without their failures in the French and Indian War. It was a wake up call for the colonists to realize that in order to have success they needed these qualities. They would have never had time to organize and figure this out without the French and Indian War.
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Molly Gorczyca
10/2/2009 04:41:22 am
I agree with Ashley. The colonies needed time to organize. They didn’t know that they needed to be organized and untied without their failures in the French and Indian War. It was a wake up call for the colonists to realize that in order to have success they needed these qualities. They would have never had time to organize and figure this out without the French and Indian War.
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Zain Bruhn
10/2/2009 03:15:06 pm
i agree that Benjamin Franklin's picture was much more impactful in the revolutionary war. the french and Indian war didn't require unity among the colonies as the colonists just provided supplement to the larger trained British forces. the revolution required unity because there was no big brother backing them up this was entirely laid upon the colonists shoulders. Ben probably chose the drawing to display its idea to a broad audience of different intelligence and language.
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Zain Bruhn
10/2/2009 03:16:55 pm
i agree with Ryan this drawing would help the illiterate to understand the situation.Ben probably thought of this and worked to attract the attention of as many as he could.
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Taylor Dean
10/2/2009 11:00:09 pm
I think the "Join or Die" cartoon had a bigger impact on the American Revolution than on the French and Indian War. It wasn't until after the French and Indian War that the colonies finally realize that in order to get something accomplished, they needed to stand together. I think it was in form of a cartoon because it would be easier to comprehend for the colonists and it was short and to the point. Unlike a couple of paragraphs stating why the colonists needed to become united, he drew a picture. It was just the easier thing to do.
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Taylor Dean
10/2/2009 11:19:00 pm
I agree with Ashley. The cartoon was a simple way to say, "You need to join with us and help or you will die". It also had an effect on the enemy. Seeing that the colonies had a new idea and a new way of thinking, probably made it a bigger deal to the British than what it already was. It's true, even today in society, that the more people you have behind you ore your cause, the more power you have and the more you will get done for your cause.
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Ted Sharkey
10/3/2009 07:46:40 am
I agree with Morgan in saying that the cartoon had a bigger effect on the Revolutionary war than the French and Indian war. It shows the unity that was necessary in defeating the British. They did not need this unity in the French and Indian war because the British would have won the war either way.
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Natalie
10/3/2009 10:42:41 am
i agree with everyone on the fact that the join or die political cartoon was more effective for the revolutionary war then it was the french and indian war even though it was published in that era it was preparing or showing the colonies what could happen if you ban together. it was simple and understandable you either join or die, come together as one as a fact of unity or stay sepprate and die. you either loose your freedom or join the cause for independance. and i agree with molly when she said that most people were illiterate but almost everyone can understand something like this its self explainatory. unity is key
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Amberleigh Varney
10/3/2009 12:12:07 pm
Benjamin Franklin’s cartoon had a bigger impact during the Revolutionary war because in order for the American colonies to become stronger and fight against the British, they needed to unite instead of fighting as thirteen small individual armies that the British could have easily rolled through and taken over. He chose to use this cartoon to express his desire for colonial unity because a snake (all colonies) separated, is a dead snake, or weak set of colonies… a whole snake, or the unity of all colonies, would be very strong and defensive against the enemy, Great Britain. He used a cartoon to represent his desire in an easy simple way for people to understand because a picture expresses ideas and opinions more quickly than reading text.
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Amberleigh Varney
10/3/2009 12:17:59 pm
In response to Taylor
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Austin Branchaud, Ph.D.
10/4/2009 09:38:48 am
I believe that Ben Franklin's media had a much bigger impact during the revolutionary war than they did during the F&W war because the French and indian war wasn't about a revolution, and his propaganda was very much revolutionary based, which was more fitting for the revolutionary war. Obviously. I also believe that it had more time to spread after the F&I War, so it could get around to other colonies. If he had written that stuff during the revolutionary war than it might not have been as well-spread, and people may not have had the motivation from the press to act against the British, and I wouldn't be here with two packages of Double-Stuff Oreo cookies watching Tenacious D. Thank you Benjamin Franklin for being cool. Hundred dolla bills.
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Austin Branchaud, M.D.
10/4/2009 09:40:50 am
I also agree with Amberleigh. she has a good point about the snake motivating the colonies to stick together and tough it out against the redcoats. Without that bond, we would have surely lost.
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Bobby
10/4/2009 01:21:55 pm
I agree with Taylor about why the message was made into a cartoon. There were schools in the colonial period, but they were not nearly as widespread as they are today. In order to get a message across to the entire population, especially to the illiterate, you needed to create a picture without words.
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Muma
10/5/2009 01:45:27 am
I agree with Morgan. He hit the nail on the head with saying that united we could beat the red coats. We still believe in being united today. That is why our money says "united we stand".
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Morgan
10/5/2009 01:47:36 am
I agree with Zain when he said that they didn't really need help in the French and Indian War, because the British really fought the war for the Americans.
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Craig Judy
10/5/2009 01:49:23 am
It definately had a bigger impact on the Revolutionary War. During the French and Indian War, the colonies were not unified very much at all. After that war, America realized that they were much weaker when they were apart. They knew that if they wanted to achieve independence they would have to unite to dominate those nasty-toothed Brits.
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Paige Luppo
10/5/2009 01:50:26 am
Do you think Benjamin Franklin's cartoon had a bigger impact during the French & Indian War or the Revolutionary War? Explain. Why do you think he chose to use a cartoon to express his desire for colonial unity?
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brian
10/5/2009 01:50:45 am
i dont think Benjamin Franklin's cartoon had a bigger impact during the French & Indian War or the Revolutionary War. causeit was just a cartoon.In both wars the colonies had few unity, but the French and Indian war the British were a much stronger army to aid the segregated colonies.
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Craig Judy
10/5/2009 01:52:18 am
I agree with Amber because the British would of stomped all over us as a dead snake chopped up into 13 chunks. But as one big powerful Python, we owned.
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Paige Luppo
10/5/2009 01:53:23 am
^^^Ignore!
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Sarah Hopkins
10/5/2009 03:20:38 am
I agree with most everyone, that the cartoon had a larger impact during the Revolution than the French and Indian War. The colonist were not as interested in the French and Indian War. They didn't feel it was very important. But I'll bet every colonist was concerned about the Revolutionary War. Franklin probably used this cartoon because it was very self explanatory and to the point. Colonists could look at it and know exactly what was being said. It was very important as well, because the colonies needed to be unified during the Revolution more than any other time.
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Zac Lantis
10/5/2009 12:42:53 pm
Ben Franklin's cartoon definitely had a bigger impact on the Rev. War than the French Indian War due to the fact that the French/Indian War didnt have much to do with the colonists. The colonists were just used to supplement the ranks. I believe he used a cartoon to depict the dire need of unity to a land that not everyone could read.
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Zac Lantis
10/5/2009 12:48:40 pm
I would have to agree with Austin about the fact that it was a perfect time that Ben used this drawing to unify the colonists.
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Gaston
10/7/2009 02:31:45 am
the Join or Die carttlin by Ben Franklin had a bigger impacet after the French and Indian war. This is because even though the idea of unity was around during the French and Indian War they didnt begin to unify until after the War and during the Revolutionary War.
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Gaston
10/7/2009 02:34:19 am
I agree with Austin on the fact the Ben Franklin used his works at a good time and by putting them out at the time he did it actually worked out really swell.
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Paige Luppo
10/7/2009 07:26:50 am
I also agree with Austin. By putting out his cartoon at that certain time, Ben Franklin was able to move many people in the simplest of ways.
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